Test/ tren cycle advice

[Yousufnasser1]

Hi all,
I am 25 yrs old, height 5'5, weight 180 Lb @ 18% body fat I am planning for my third cycle
My first was only test second test & deca I gained a good amount of weight but I had problems with my pct , I didn't recover well, I guess my pct was not solid, it has been 2 yrs since my last cycle, and a lot of research since then I am thinking of my next cycle which goes as follows:

Test E or C 500mg/wk Week 1-10
Tren E 400mg/wk Week 1-10
Tren P 100 mg/eod week 11-14
Winstrol 100mg/eod week 11-14

Armidix 0.5g/eod week 1-10
Hcg 1000mcg/wk week 11-14

PCT:
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20.
Clomid 50/50/50/50.

I seek ur advice in regards to my cycle

 

[caratoto]

imo you should quit hcg of your cycle and keep it at pct. I would do pct this way:

HCG 2500 IU every other day for 16 days (8 takes)
clomid 50mg for 30 days
nolvadex 20mg for 45 days

 

[MaxxPursuit]

When you say you didn't recover well, what are you basing this on? Did you get bloodwork? Your bf% is up there and that is something you need to address via nutrition. You're young dude and from the lack of experience plus high bf%, you're not ready for tren. Theres quite a few issues with your layout man.. and if you think you did a lot of research to come up with that then you still have a lot to learn. Problems with doses, no mention of caber, pct layout isnt good, etc.. If I were you, I'd get bloodwork done to check your current health, fix your diet, and get your bf% in control before doing anything else.

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[MaxxPursuit]

imo you should quit hcg of your cycle and keep it at pct. I would do pct this way:

HCG 2500 IU every other day for 16 days (8 takes)
clomid 50mg for 30 days
nolvadex 20mg for 45 days

You should not run hcg during pct...

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[Yousufnasser1]

Hey bro,
I know that I need to lower my bf% , I am planing to take the cycle 2 months from now,
What I meant by saying I did not recover well is that I tend to get back to my regular statues few months after a cycle, I don't keep much of cycle gains , it has been 2 yrs since I took steroids I have been working out naturally, however I was not paying attention to my cals, u can tell from my high bf% , my goal is lose fat till my next cycle and be 100% ready , I need someadvice on the dosages and most importantly PCT

 

[caratoto]

You should not run hcg during pct...

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by using HCG in your post cycle is how you restore your natural test production after cycle. It makes no sense trying to restore it during cycle. Becouse during cycle, you will still have steroid levels above what your body allows and in response to it, your body will stop producing testosterone again. I see it's a waste to use HCG before you wait 3 times the half life of the slower compound in your cycle. Doing it that way, your testicles would start producing natural testosterone while your hormone levels are below they should be, so your body would keep producing test and you would be fine

 

[chelades]

That is way, way too much HCG use. A month, tops.

Your last 4 weeks of cycle should be HCG to prepare for PCT.

by using HCG in your post cycle is how you restore your natural test production after cycle. It makes no sense trying to restore it during cycle. Becouse during cycle, you will still have steroid levels above what your body allows and in response to it, your body will stop producing testosterone again. I see it's a waste to use HCG before you wait 3 times the half life of the slower compound in your cycle. Doing it that way, your testicles would start producing natural testosterone while your hormone levels are below they should be, so your body would keep producing test and you would be fine

But what is producing that test... HCG. Not your natural body. Your natural body's testosterone producing hormone (LH) will still be shut down because HCG is replacing it.

HCG is used in the weeks leading up to PCT, to prepare your natural LH to take back over.

 

[caratoto]

That is way, way too much HCG use. A month, tops.

Your last 4 weeks of cycle should be HCG to prepare for PCT.



But what is producing that test... HCG. Not your natural body. Your natural body's testosterone producing hormone (LH) will still be shut down because HCG is replacing it.

HCG is used in the weeks leading up to PCT, to prepare your natural LH to take back over.

So much bro science in this thread..

 

[chelades]

It's all actually straightforward scientific. You're failing to recognize the pituitary functioning of HCG and HOW it makes testosterone.

 

[caratoto]

It's all actually straightforward scientific. You're failing to recognize the pituitary functioning of HCG and HOW it makes testosterone.

It's all actually straightforward scientific. You're failling to read scientific books and studies. but I will provide you some

Source:
William Llewellyn, Anabolics, 9th edition, Molecular Nutrition LLC.

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[chelades]

I read fine. First of all, that is underground information (in that book) not academic.

Secondly, what is printed is exactly what I stated. Read the words closely.

LH = Pituitary hormone telling your testes to produce testosterone. Shut down when using steroids, an exogenous source producing testosterone.

HCG =MIMICS LH. It does not restart it. It takes its place.

PCT = restarting your body's natural production.

HCG during PCT = HCG telling your testes to produce testosterone. Your LH remains shut down.

PCT therefore = your body's natural production still shut down, while an exogenous source is still producing testosterone.

Read:

https://www.isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/clomid-help!-7842-3.html

 

[MaxxPursuit]

I read fine. First of all, that is underground information (in that book) not academic.

Secondly, what is printed is exactly what I stated. Read the words closely.

LH = Pituitary hormone telling your testes to produce testosterone. Shut down when using steroids, an exogenous source producing testosterone.

HCG =MIMICS LH. It does not restart it. It takes its place.

PCT = restarting your body's natural production.

HCG during PCT = HCG telling your testes to produce testosterone. Your LH remains shut down.

PCT therefore = your body's natural production still shut down, while an exogenous source is still producing testosterone.

Read:

https://www.isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/clomid-help!-7842-3.html

Well said brother. Think what is the point of pct? To kickstart natural test production. Hcg mimics lh therefore shutting production down. It is counterproductive to try to kickstart through pct while taking hcg that shuts down and mimics what you want to start. Plus hcg increases estrogen which is something you definitely dont want issues with during pct. The last thing you want during pct is something that shuts down/mimics anything that you want working on its own..

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[MaxxPursuit]

Hey bro,
I know that I need to lower my bf% , I am planing to take the cycle 2 months from now,
What I meant by saying I did not recover well is that I tend to get back to my regular statues few months after a cycle, I don't keep much of cycle gains , it has been 2 yrs since I took steroids I have been working out naturally, however I was not paying attention to my cals, u can tell from my high bf% , my goal is lose fat till my next cycle and be 100% ready , I need someadvice on the dosages and most importantly PCT

Alright bud. You can't base recovery on anything other than bloodwork. If you recovered or not, we'll never know until you get your bloods done to check your levels. If you didnt keep much of your gains on cycle, then you need to seriously discipline yourself with training and nutrition. You can't depend on the gear. Don't be so quick to rush into your next cycle. A few things you need to do first. #1 Get bloodwork done. This is cheap, easy, and private. No reason not to do it. #2 Fix your diet. #3 Get your bf% down. Personally I dont think you're ready for tren man so I'd save it for a future cycle. I'd get those 3 things done, see where you are, then reassess. Standard pct looks like this:

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
MK-2866 25mg ed
GW 20mg ed

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[RickRock]

I read fine. First of all, that is underground information (in that book) not academic.

Secondly, what is printed is exactly what I stated. Read the words closely.

LH = Pituitary hormone telling your testes to produce testosterone. Shut down when using steroids, an exogenous source producing testosterone.

HCG =MIMICS LH. It does not restart it. It takes its place.

PCT = restarting your body's natural production.

HCG during PCT = HCG telling your testes to produce testosterone. Your LH remains shut down.

PCT therefore = your body's natural production still shut down, while an exogenous source is still producing testosterone.

Read:

https://www.isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/clomid-help!-7842-3.html

Perfectly said bro. Anybody that thinks you can safely use hcg in pct is obviously clueless as to how it's method of action actually works, which basically keeps you shutdown unable to recover while on it

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