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Tren and false oestrogen/ EQ stack question

norrajek

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Hey Dylan hope you are well man.

I just wanted to ask a quick question regarding Tren and oestrogen readings.

Now I know you prefer to have stats so I will do so first.

I'm 26 years old
5ft 9 and weigh 221 pounds and I'm in the 12-14% body fat range I'm reckoning (not 100% sure)

This cycle I'm running just now is a little heavier on dosing than you would like but if I want to have an accurate answer I may aswell be honest.

This cycle consists of
Test E 750mg weeks 1-10 last 2 weeks I taper down

Tren E 350mg weeks 1-10

Winstrol 50mg ED weeks 8-12

MK677 30mg ED weeks 1-12

Aromasin 12.5mg everyday (convert at a average rate not too sensitive to oestrogen)

Caber 0.5mg every 3days (as I am more sensitive to prolactin)

This is my 4th cycle, I did run dbol for 2 weeks at begining but hunger hit the floor so stopped it.

I'm using Rich piana all in one organ defender whilst taking seperate omega 3 fish oils with it.

Anyway I usually get blood work before and after my cycles, the clinic I go to never had funds the past 3 times to do mid cycle (should of found other ways I know) but they do now and my cholesterol is a little off which I need to fix but everything else is perfect apart from my oestrogen..... My number is meant to be less than 160 and I have a reading of over 1000 which is absurd..... I know I'm running higher test but surely not to make it do that? I can 100% guarantee my caber and aromasin is real too for sure, the weird thing is I'm very dry, not holding much water at all, blood pressure is 120/70, I have no puffy nipples or sensitivity or lactating or any lumps at all and libido is high but yet my readings say that. My doctor really disagrees with my use so is just threatening to chuck all kinds of meds and refer me to places and isn't really listening to me when I asked him about the Tren causing a false reading... General practice docs aren't specialists I know but I feel stuck because you obviously want perfect numbers and I don't want to go taking extra aromasin if this is a false reading. So what would you personally do if you were me and can you tell me why tren would cause a false number like that if this is the case? Thankyou man.

Part 2 of this is I'm thinking of running EQ next cycle this is what I'm thinking, it's like a lean bulk but a cut towards the end.

16weeks cycle

Test E 500mg weeks 1-10
EQ 500-600mg weeks 1-16

Weeks 10-16
Test P 400mg a week
Tren A 350mg a week
Anavar or winstrol 50mg weeks 12-16

Would you say to keep it at that or is there anything you would advise running first of during the bulk? And what is your opinion that cycle? What changes would you suggest? Can't get my hands on real primo either so can't add that or tbol :/

Thanks for reading all of this and taking the time.

Really appreciate it
 

DylanGemelli

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tren can cause false estrogen readings and thats well known... dbol clearly is going to increase estrogen as well... i have no clue why you feel the need to run test that high either and thats definitely going to likely increase your estrogen a bit even with an ai unless you are just one of those people that never gets estrogen estrogen issues but thats very very rare..
 

norrajek

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tren can cause false estrogen readings and thats well known... dbol clearly is going to increase estrogen as well... i have no clue why you feel the need to run test that high either and thats definitely going to likely increase your estrogen a bit even with an ai unless you are just one of those people that never gets estrogen estrogen issues but thats very very rare..

To be honest it was just an experiment to see how my body responded to the Test levels and gains vs side effects. Last cycle I ran Test the same dose but didn't have Tren, when I got a blood test from the doctor as they were testing for other things with the AI protocol I had my oestrogen levels were perfect. I'm using the same aromasin as I did that cycle so I know it's real aromasin, the only difference this cycle was the Tren. I know you don't agree with the doses of Test but it's just something I personally find a sweet spot as the only side effect I get is the oily skin and that's it, gains are really good with it but I don't feel the need to go higher.
O did read that The hormone test nowayget confused with Tren metabolites and can't recognise the difference between oestrogen and Tren as Tren is a modified Oestrogen base so it seems to back up the bloodwork as I have no symptoms of high oestrogen and when I increased aromasin slightly I had sore joints and felt crap. So brought it back down and felt good again

What was your opinion on the Question regarding the EQ stack? To sum it up quickly.

The test would be the same this cycle (I know you won't agree with that part)

Then was thinking
Test E at dose mentioned weeks 1-10
EQ 600mg weeks 1-16

Weeks 10-16 I would switch to fast esters to give my body that burst of growth from the different ester and wanting to clean up on the back end of the cycle.

Weeks 10-16
Test P 300-400mg
Tren A 300-350mg?

What is your opinion on that cycle regarding the Test E dose and given its a 5th cycle? The goal is to add some good lean size through the cycle then with some cutting down towards the end. I've finally been able to source Tbol so was thinking of a 60mg dose weeks 1-6 but don't know if you think that would be too much as my 16 week cycle already has 2 esters of Test (one a heavy dose) EQ and Tren?

Any opinion would be appreciated with that one
 

DylanGemelli

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I think its really troubling you are this young and already going on your fifth cycle... not to mention going on your second cycle of tren. You are setting yourself up for so many future problems. I dont like any of it
 

norrajek

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I think its really troubling you are this young and already going on your fifth cycle... not to mention going on your second cycle of tren. You are setting yourself up for so many future problems. I dont like any of it

To be honest Dylan, we all make mistakes right? Did I start a little too early? Of course I did but I can't go back and change that man other wise I would. And I won't stop at the moment because right now my physique is the priority based on my goals and another couple years down the line I guarantee I will have other priorities other than taking steroids. I started a little early yes but I do get my bloodwork 4 times a year and I do take a lot of herbal remedies, I have a blood pressure monitor and I have a glucose testing kit on hand and I take both everyday so I may of done it a little early but I'm taking more precautions than a lot of other folk out there. It's clear my age and my one compound I'm using a little high is against your morals so I don't expect you anymore to give me an opinion and I won't put you in that position but at least I came to you and you've been honest with me and I guess as much as you aren't advising on my other question I would rather honesty even if I don't get the answers I want.

Glad you have good morals and thanks for taking the time to read my emails anyway, keep up the good YouTube videos man! You are seriously helping folk stay healthy and making better choices.
 

DylanGemelli

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im not bashing you or anything of the sort... we all make choices in life bro and im definitely not trying to be your dad at all... you made your choices and will continue to make them and so thats up to you... just like you make your choices, i make mine as well and i know its not popular with the people that are asking the questions but when i see something i know is going to be end badly or is something i cant condone, i choose to not contribute to it... i wish you nothing but the best and appreciate your support
 

norrajek

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im not bashing you or anything of the sort... we all make choices in life bro and im definitely not trying to be your dad at all... you made your choices and will continue to make them and so thats up to you... just like you make your choices, i make mine as well and i know its not popular with the people that are asking the questions but when i see something i know is going to be end badly or is something i cant condone, i choose to not contribute to it... i wish you nothing but the best and appreciate your support

I completely understand man and I'm really sorry I put you in that position where you have to decide between advising me as best as possible or not so I do apologise. I just really respect your opinion that's all man but your honesty is appreciated either way regardless of outcome
 
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