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Junito07

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I have taken the advise and I'm glad to say all went well on my first cycle. Made great gains and I'm back to normal after my pct. Only issues I had were my back got acne pretty bad while on pct and after running pct for the 6 weeks I believe my hormones did get a bit out of whack. I got sick 3 or 4 weeks after pct. My question is. Is it normal that my levels will drop significantly after pct and then come back up? That's the only thing I can think of that happen to me. Not sick like cough or fevers. Just felt bad for about a good week. Thanks
 

Jswole79

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Yeah its normal to feel a little out of sorts after a cycle. Your hormones will fluctuate for a little while while they're trying to balance everything out. Best thing to do is wait a while and have bloodwork done to see if Every thing is back in range.
 

RickRock

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I have taken the advise and I'm glad to say all went well on my first cycle. Made great gains and I'm back to normal after my pct. Only issues I had were my back got acne pretty bad while on pct and after running pct for the 6 weeks I believe my hormones did get a bit out of whack. I got sick 3 or 4 weeks after pct. My question is. Is it normal that my levels will drop significantly after pct and then come back up? That's the only thing I can think of that happen to me. Not sick like cough or fevers. Just felt bad for about a good week. Thanks
Hormonal fluctuation can be normal to an extent even post pct, which is why we usually recommend longer pct than just 4 weeks. However without bloodwork to see what's going on you're just speculating. It could be a lot of things contributing to the way you feel
 

DylanGemelli

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yes it is normal to have that kind of changes during and after your cycle... recovery phases can be difficult, however if you run a FULL and PROPER pct, you can mitigate and control it far more...
 

Junito07

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Understood. I did run a full 6 week proper pct recommended by you guys. Again thanks for all the help. That was my only question. I dime understand I am having to restart my body back up and not all can go perfect. Planning on taking 250 of test and last 4 weeks of winstrol. Followed by my 6 weeks of pct.
 

DylanGemelli

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when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day
 

RickRock

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Understood. I did run a full 6 week proper pct recommended by you guys. Again thanks for all the help. That was my only question. I dime understand I am having to restart my body back up and not all can go perfect. Planning on taking 250 of test and last 4 weeks of winstrol. Followed by my 6 weeks of pct.
Glad to help bro
 

EZ_E

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yes it is normal to have that kind of changes during and after your cycle... recovery phases can be difficult, however if you run a FULL and PROPER pct, you can mitigate and control it far more...

If I'm a piggyback on this point:

Guys remember what you're doing here when you're cycling. You're altering things in the body to a very extreme measure. This is why you have to constantly be aware of how your body is working in responding before cycle, during cycle, and after cycle.
 

DylanGemelli

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If I'm a piggyback on this point:

Guys remember what you're doing here when you're cycling. You're altering things in the body to a very extreme measure. This is why you have to constantly be aware of how your body is working in responding before cycle, during cycle, and after cycle.
well said brother
 

mastermolnar

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I mean I think it makes perfect sense. If you’re taking clomid (which is an estrogen designed to make your body “naturally” produce more testosterone) and then take it away, your body no longer sees the influx in estrogen that causes its system to signal for more testosterone to balance. A drop in your mood and feeling of wellbeing seems normal to me. During pct and for over a month post pct, nothing in your body is quite “normal”
 

Junito07

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Last night I notice some tightness on the left side of my chest. I tried to feel for anything and nothing. All day today I have felt the tightness. Now itch no sensitivity. I do feel a bit swollen and small bb size bumps. Question is how to go about it. How much nolva and aromasin. Planning to go get blood work asap.
 

Junito07

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It's been difficult trying to get my bloodwork done. Doc says I dont need one. Should I come off my test and go into my pct. Chest is somewhat puffy and tender
 

olderbro

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It's been difficult trying to get my bloodwork done. Doc says I dont need one. Should I come off my test and go into my pct. Chest is somewhat puffy and tender

Does your doctor know you've been running a cycle?

You need to get your own blood work done, if you're based in the US I think the guys here will recommend privatemdlabs but you'd better get Dylan to confirm bro.
 

DylanGemelli

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Complete Blood Count (CBC) w/ Differential: Hematocrit; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count; red cell count; white blood cell count; immature granulocytes
Comprehensive Metabolic Profile ( includes eGFR ): A:G ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; ALT (SGPT); AST (SGOT); bilirubin, total; BUN; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; creatinine, serum; globulin, total; glucose, serum; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum; eGFR
Estradiol
Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
Testosterone, Total - Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS
 
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