Next Cycle early Nov. Critique Helpful

[littlefrank]

Pretty new to the forum reading a lot of good things came over from evo. Seen a lot of good sources and am going to get back into it early Nov.
Stats:
5'8'' 215-218 fluctuates daily I feel like, with BF% at 15-16%(haven't checked in awhile since last cycle)was lower but came back up after pct which was just a clo/nol pct and was super busy in the summer. Only was able to get into the gym every other day. Felt like I gained some water weight back and a bit of puffiness.(not gyno) Back at it in full swing since 3rd week of Aug. Been upping the cardio for this upcoming cycle.
Upcoming goals are 225-230lbs BF% of around 12-10%.
Previous cycles are just 1. Ran HGH 4iu daily for 3 months. Test E at 600 no AI during for 31/2months. with the final 6 weeks at 30mg Winny ED and 60MG Var ED. With a Liver Guard. Again PCT was only Clo/Nol.

For this upcoming cycle I was thinking 20 weeks with this:
1-8 Test C 750 week
1-8 Deca 300 week
1-6 Tbol 60MG ED
1-6 Liver Support
9-12 750 week Test only
12-20 750 Test C week
12-20 400-600 Primo week
14-20 50 MG Var ED
14-20 50 MG Win ED
12-20 Liver Guard
1-20 12.5 Aromoasin EOD
1-20 GW 20MG Daily
1-8 .25 Caber E3D or as needed.
22-25 SARMSX Platinum PCT along with a natural Test Booster like Phytoserms 347X

Just looking to run my 2nd cycle maybe at some hgh subq a total of 200iu in there somewhere.
Do you see this as to lengthy or to much?
Also I might run a natural test booster as stated before Phyto. starting on week 12-14.
Any thoughts or opinions would be awesome thanks for you time guys!

 

[joonp]

You need to run the primo and deca longer than 8 weeks. Drop the var. Too much orals

 

[cmb5017]

Way overboard for a 2cd cycle.
Can't run anavar n winny together.
Deca has to be ran 16 weeks minimum
Primo is low, but shouldn't be even considered if Ur plus 10 percent bf

 

[DylanGemelli]

Pretty new to the forum reading a lot of good things came over from evo. Seen a lot of good sources and am going to get back into it early Nov.
Stats:
5'8'' 215-218 fluctuates daily I feel like, with BF% at 15-16%(haven't checked in awhile since last cycle)was lower but came back up after pct which was just a clo/nol pct and was super busy in the summer. Only was able to get into the gym every other day. Felt like I gained some water weight back and a bit of puffiness.(not gyno) Back at it in full swing since 3rd week of Aug. Been upping the cardio for this upcoming cycle.
Upcoming goals are 225-230lbs BF% of around 12-10%.
Previous cycles are just 1. Ran HGH 4iu daily for 3 months. Test E at 600 no AI during for 31/2months. with the final 6 weeks at 30mg Winny ED and 60MG Var ED. With a Liver Guard. Again PCT was only Clo/Nol.

For this upcoming cycle I was thinking 20 weeks with this:
1-8 Test C 750 week
1-8 Deca 300 week
1-6 Tbol 60MG ED
1-6 Liver Support
9-12 750 week Test only
12-20 750 Test C week
12-20 400-600 Primo week
14-20 50 MG Var ED
14-20 50 MG Win ED
12-20 Liver Guard
1-20 12.5 Aromoasin EOD
1-20 GW 20MG Daily
1-8 .25 Caber E3D or as needed.
22-25 SARMSX Platinum PCT along with a natural Test Booster like Phytoserms 347X

Just looking to run my 2nd cycle maybe at some hgh subq a total of 200iu in there somewhere.
Do you see this as to lengthy or to much?
Also I might run a natural test booster as stated before Phyto. starting on week 12-14.
Any thoughts or opinions would be awesome thanks for you time guys!

hey bro... this needs a lot of work.. the good thing is, you have great compounds selected but your dosing is so out of whack and so is timing... 750 mg of test is completely unnecessary to say the least... deca is ran WAY too short... too many orals as well... if this is only your second cycle the this is reckless... you are going way too far on orals man... seriously... you could run this right and tear some shit up but as you have, you are the only one that is going to get torn up and not in a good way... lets fix this completely...

here are the links for everything you need followed by the layout...

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=150&search=ultra

https://www.sarmsx.com/liquiaro-15mgs-ml-30mls

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinu

1-14 test cyp 500 mg week
1-14 deca 400 mg week
1-14 primo 600-800 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 caber .5 mg e3d
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
1-16 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
7-18 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-16 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
13-16 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 17-20


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[cmb5017]

If I were u I'd run test,deca and tbol and maybe tack on the winny at the end...but less doses like
Test 300
Deca 300
Tbol 60 mgs ed

 

[cmb5017]

Or do what Dylan laid out.that's a bad ass cycle there..a lil more than I would do for a second cycle but man it'll bring some gains! Anything we can help u with just holla

 

[DylanGemelli]

If I were u I'd run test,deca and tbol and maybe tack on the winny at the end...but less doses like
Test 300
Deca 300
Tbol 60 mgs ed

im a huge fan of the test and deca ratio doses that cmb just gave you as well... commonly misunderstood is that this dose is extremely beneficial... many who have no clue say its too low but trust me, you get huge results without the sides at these doses...

 

[RickRock]

For a 2nd cycle this is way too much. I'd stick with test and deca with some sarms thrown in. I'd forget about the orals myself. You'll get great gains without them.

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[littlefrank]

im a huge fan of the test and deca ratio doses that cmb just gave you as well... commonly misunderstood is that this dose is extremely beneficial... many who have no clue say its too low but trust me, you get huge results without the sides at these doses...

It was always my understanding that you wanted to run deca at a 3:2 ratio through pretty much a lot of things I read down to people with personal experiences because of the deca dick issue. That if you're running say 400deca you'd want no less than 600test. And thanks again for all you'd assistance guys.


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[cmb5017]

As long as u use Caber its not gona make much difference. We have threads here that prove equal ratio is just fine...me personally I like my test a lil higher but that's just my preference.

 

[DylanGemelli]

It was always my understanding that you wanted to run deca at a 3:2 ratio through pretty much a lot of things I read down to people with personal experiences because of the deca dick issue. That if you're running say 400deca you'd want no less than 600test. And thanks again for all you'd assistance guys.


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thats another large piece of broscience and not true in any way... keeping test even or slightly above is fine... 3:2 ratio ?? wow, i wonder what BRO came up with that equation... good lord... im sorry you were given that advice

 

[littlefrank]

As long as u use Caber its not gona make much difference. We have threads here that prove equal ratio is just fine...me personally I like my test a lil higher but that's just my preference.

Ok so running that with say a caber or prami will keep it from happening ok. Thanks


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[cmb5017]

Ok so running that with say a caber or prami will keep it from happening ok. Thanks


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Yes ALWAYS use caber

 

[littlefrank]

thats another large piece of broscience and not true in any way... keeping test even or slightly above is fine... 3:2 ratio ?? wow, i wonder what BRO came up with that equation... good lord... im sorry you were given that advice

Yes it all makes sense now. Also since none of them ever mentioned or even begun to probably think about prolactin issues caber was never a thought in the air. As to that I could see how this could be possibly a big argumentative thing.


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[cmb5017]

Yes it all makes sense now. Also since none of them ever mentioned or even begun to probably think about prolactin issues caber was never a thought in the air. As to that I could see how this could be possibly a big argumentative thing.


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Control your prolactin, and no bitch tits or deca dick

 

[DylanGemelli]

Yes it all makes sense now. Also since none of them ever mentioned or even begun to probably think about prolactin issues caber was never a thought in the air. As to that I could see how this could be possibly a big argumentative thing.


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an argumentative thing?? there is NOTHING to argue about here bro... you absolutely have to control prolactin if you like being a man

 

[littlefrank]

an argumentative thing?? there is NOTHING to argue about here bro... you absolutely have to control prolactin if you like being a man

Yep I agree with you on all of it. I see where other people could say that but reality that's just BROscience as you said.


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[DylanGemelli]

Yep I agree with you on all of it. I see where other people could say that but reality that's just BROscience as you said.


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absolutely bro... my main concern is that you get the RIGHT information and that you are doing this in the safest and most effective way... if you have any further questions, dont hesitate to let me know...

 

[littlefrank]

absolutely bro... my main concern is that you get the RIGHT information and that you are doing this in the safest and most effective way... if you have any further questions, dont hesitate to let me know...

Awesome, thanks again. Another quick question... How would you feel about me dropping the deca and adding 600EQ a week?
So that would be test, tbol, eq, and aromoasin 12.5 EOD? Since it's not deca do you think using the caber or prami E3D would still be beneficial?


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[cmb5017]

Yes u can do that, no Caber needed