Life off tren sucks (A different perspective)

[BoredStiff]

I would like to start by saying i do NOT condone the use of tren as a year-round compound, this is just an experience I wanted to share and get some feedback on, if there even is any. I'm in my mid-thirties and have been on a standard TRT dose for four years which has varied from 100mg to 200mg, it's mostly settles closer to 200mg along with 250iu HCG 2x/wk and 1/2 an arimidex tab twice a week. I've been bodybuilding for around 22 years and was on steroids in college but natural the rest of the time.

I've also had a lot of issues with depression/anxiety since I was a kid, according to my doctor I've actually been on every anti-depressant that exists at this point, along with the benzos etc. and nothing has ever helped. This is where I drop my ego because it's super embarrassing but I've had erectile problems since, I guess since I hit puberty. Most of it seemed psychological as it would happen when I was with a girl but as time went on (and I'm sure my stupidity of using AAS that young didn't help) I just overall had very little drive. The TRT did help quite a bit along with 5mg cialis nightly, but it's still to the point where it's really hit or miss. I'll have maybe one really good session and two or three pretty mediocre ones where I keep losing my erection and can't really penetrate.

So, unrelated, earlier this year I decided I wanted to get back into the game. I know I'm all about staying lean and dry now so I went with 350mg Test E. and 600mg Mast E. It was good, it's more than enough for my goals and my sex drive was ok once I dialed in my arimidex to put me around 20-25pg/dl.

So I cruised back off for 3 months and then I decided you know what, I've always been terrified of tren ace, I want to give it a shot. I kept test at 200mg but added in tren at doses from 100mg per week to 350mg per week. The 350 was way too much for me, I ended up just doing 50mg Test/50mg Tren EOD for a total of 175mg per week of each.

OMG. My libido problems went out the window, I mean you can just imagine the shock of someone with very low libido since a teenager suddenly craving sex every night and often more. The other huge one, it wasn't a cure but my depression and anxiety improved SO much, It wasn't a dianabol euphoria, more of just a carefree, very laid-back attitude I noticed and a positive aggression, meaning I found myself getting up and cleaning the house, washing the car, there was a very positive feeling derived from doing and accomplishing things.

I was honest with my doctor about what I was doing. She's fairly progressive-minded so while she said couldn't condone what I was doing she would be happy to check how I was doing. Surprisingly everything was in normal range except for hematocrit/RBC and cholesterol levels were mildly elevated. Keep in mind I was on cardarine, ubiquinol, red-yeast rice, niacin, tons of fish oil, hawthorne berry, a super clean diet and 4 hours of cardio a week, so the lifestyle helped.

Sorry for the huge post but I had to give some background info. Now that I'm off the tren for a while it's just back to the same, I get mild bouts of depression, am more anxious and sex is more of a chore because I can't always perform and I know it sucks for my partner.

What I'm curious about is, what was it about tren that helped me so much? Most would point to the extreme androgenic properties but I can up the Masteron to 800mg and it doesn't even compare to what 150mg of tren did. Same with proviron, I actually tried 150mg daily years ago purely to see if it would help with these issues, not a thing.
My concern right now is not muscle-related, it's duplicating the well-being that I got from tren, which I don't even thing can be done.

 

[Mark Diesel]

Interesting post, I’ve been cruising at 175test Cyp and 50 tren hex for the last 6-7 weeks


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[cbbram00]

Tren makes me feel the same way bro but it wrecks my cholesterol really bad. Tren (with Test) is pretty much the only steroid I run now mostly because it gives me dramatic results and the feeling you're talking about. I usually do 8 weeks on and 8 weeks off. The only time I have to cut it short is my fault for increasing the dosage too high. I've been doing this for about 2 years now. My doctor also is aware and helps me with blood work once a year.

 

[RoboGainz]

I would agree with all of this, My sex drive on 300 Ace, 200 Test E was through the roof. Trt or even 500mg test doesnt get me anywhere near what it was on that cycle. I like tren E better, doesnt seem to hit as hard but the sides are way less for me.

 

[DylanGemelli]

some people using tren have the complete opposite effect... its another one of those scenarios where everyone is different on how they respond... the bigger question is how safe is tren to run long term, even at a lower dosage? definitely not something that would be recommended

 

[BoredStiff]

Yeah it's insane, it was truly a game changer for me at 175mg or less, above that I did get side effects. I did consider a "TRT" of 90mg Test/90mg Tren/90 mg Mast (25mg of each EOD) and seeing if over the months the damage is too much to my body (my doctor is willing to test me every month, she's very open, which is really rare for a primary). It's a very weird predicament for me between feeling really, really good and helping the issues I've been dealing with for years but possibly taking a few years off my life or keeping my bloodwork and organs in a much safer state but live every day feeling pretty mediocre.

 

[BoredStiff]

Definitely agree. And my main thing is trying to figure out, ok, what about tren took away so much of the depression and fixed my sex issues. I feel like if it was just the androgenic portion, adding, let's say a crazy number, 1000mg of Masteron to my TRT should, in theory, do the same thing. And heck, maybe it does, I've never taken it that far. But I do know that 600mg or so it wasn't even close to the same relief I got...... so I'm wondering if there's other mechanisms at work, I know it has effects on the brain which for some seem to be bad but for me were great for whatever reason.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Definitely agree. And my main thing is trying to figure out, ok, what about tren took away so much of the depression and fixed my sex issues. I feel like if it was just the androgenic portion, adding, let's say a crazy number, 1000mg of Masteron to my TRT should, in theory, do the same thing. And heck, maybe it does, I've never taken it that far. But I do know that 600mg or so it wasn't even close to the same relief I got...... so I'm wondering if there's other mechanisms at work, I know it has effects on the brain which for some seem to be bad but for me were great for whatever reason.

Right but many times the more you use it, the worse it will get on you as well so i would not get overly excited about it


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[RoboGainz]

You certainly do not want to be hooked on Tren. I think you are far safer popping 20mg cialis to get the job done long term then using tren or even very high masteron. maybe some proviron + Cialis

 

[RickRock]

You need to break that train of thought man. Tren is obviously not something you can run often

 

[Christmas]

Tren significantly boosts dopamine levels. If your levels are already high, then it causes nightmares and depression, sometimes psychosis. If your levels are low, it’s like the clouds finally parted and the sun is out and you are Superman. Super high libido too. I’m in the latter group just like you. It nearly eliminates all ADHD side effects in me while on it too.
Tren’s effect on cholesterol and liver enzymes varies person to person too. For me, i had to do cardio to keep cholesterol down, but it didn’t affect liver enzymes at all (except Tren Hex, very strong but actually had liver enzymes increase a lot on it).


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[BoredStiff]

You need to break that train of thought man. Tren is obviously not something you can run often

Yes I absolutely agree with you, It's really not something I plan on doing (the 100/100 was something that crossed my mind because it was kind of a popular thing a while back if you remember when macrodosing like 12.5mg per day SUBq was all the rage on a lot of these forums) but this post was more just to share my kind of strange reaction. I guess just the irony that I finally found something that gave me some relief of some issues i've been having for decade(s) but it's basically poison so I'd be trading a set of problems for potentially, a whole different set of problems.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Yes I absolutely agree with you, It's really not something I plan on doing (the 100/100 was something that crossed my mind because it was kind of a popular thing a while back if you remember when macrodosing like 12.5mg per day SUBq was all the rage on a lot of these forums) but this post was more just to share my kind of strange reaction. I guess just the irony that I finally found something that gave me some relief of some issues i've been having for decade(s) but it's basically poison so I'd be trading a set of problems for potentially, a whole different set of problems.

the good thing is that at least you understand that fact and are not acting irrational.. thanks for sharing your experience