1st cycle at 30

[stengors]

hey Dylan,

greetings from Europe!

i been watching you on youtube and i came up with a question.

i will be 30 years at september.

my background:
i can call myself active, swimming since childhood till 15 years,
from 15 till now i am dedicated to gym training and working out naturally..
of course, at the beginning i made mistakes, and majority of them was incorrect and poor nutrition, so there wasn't big results showing up. i was just sporty guy but my abs was not very clear to see..

round 7 years ago i got married and my life slowed down a bit, but i was still training 3-4 times a week, i started to read more about nutrition and training, i tried different techniques like keto diet, paleo diet... i was so hooked that i even considered working as a nutrition specialist.. i think i know enough about nutrition. but again, my abs was never there...

all the time i knew about gear, because my brother is using it for last 5-6 years, but i always was against it..

this year i am turning 30, and i have a goal to see my abs this summer no matter what, clean or dirty i have to get it. at least once..

i am pretty strong, my stats 5'10 height and weight around 204 lbs for last 5 years.
right now i train 3 times a week the whole body workout,, body fat not sure but i would say 15-20%. i do incline bench press with 220 lbs 5x5.. deadlift - 300 lbs, know supersets and dropsets,,, well, i can say i am intermediate/advanced lifter, it just i am never lean enough.

so now i decided on test prop and anavar cycle, 10 test p, last 6 weeks var.. it is because when i am cutting naturally i am loosing a lot of muscle and strength, maybe it's because i am starting to age.. all my life i struggle with some fat around..

MY QUESTION:

what estrogen control would suit me best during and after cycle??
and what pct?

 

[buen]

First off ...welcome to the forum bro
Lots of good information here

You say you have nutrition down...but the cold hard truth is...you don't
With 15-20% BF and never being able to see defined abs your nutrition needs work
AAS won't burn fat or give you defined abs....DIET will
Check out RickRocks sticky above on diet and nutrition

 

[Guarionex]

You seem like a reasonable bro, so let me explain. There's a big difference between 15% and 20% body fat. Neither is recommened when using AAS. Second, a first cycle should be test ONLY, 250-350 mg week plus aromasin 12.5 every other day (eod) is the recommended protocol.

Now, if your training and diet are on point, try SARM's stack from iSarms.com. You'll get the resuslt you are looking for with lessen risks.

 

[Zeigo]

READ THIS
https://www.isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/diet-nutrition-basics-101-a-3314.html
WATCH THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlwald4GnTQ&feature=youtu.be

Both will tell you if you are ready to safely run a AAS CYCLE with out harming yourself. And if you read and watch you'll find out you probable are NOT ready. There are a lot of great people here with awesome advice for you. Take advantage of it and learn as much as you can from the guys on this forum, before you make that decision.

 

[DylanGemelli]

hey Dylan,

greetings from Europe!

i been watching you on youtube and i came up with a question.

i will be 30 years at september.

my background:
i can call myself active, swimming since childhood till 15 years,
from 15 till now i am dedicated to gym training and working out naturally..
of course, at the beginning i made mistakes, and majority of them was incorrect and poor nutrition, so there wasn't big results showing up. i was just sporty guy but my abs was not very clear to see..

round 7 years ago i got married and my life slowed down a bit, but i was still training 3-4 times a week, i started to read more about nutrition and training, i tried different techniques like keto diet, paleo diet... i was so hooked that i even considered working as a nutrition specialist.. i think i know enough about nutrition. but again, my abs was never there...

all the time i knew about gear, because my brother is using it for last 5-6 years, but i always was against it..

this year i am turning 30, and i have a goal to see my abs this summer no matter what, clean or dirty i have to get it. at least once..

i am pretty strong, my stats 5'10 height and weight around 204 lbs for last 5 years.
right now i train 3 times a week the whole body workout,, body fat not sure but i would say 15-20%. i do incline bench press with 220 lbs 5x5.. deadlift - 300 lbs, know supersets and dropsets,,, well, i can say i am intermediate/advanced lifter, it just i am never lean enough.

so now i decided on test prop and anavar cycle, 10 test p, last 6 weeks var.. it is because when i am cutting naturally i am loosing a lot of muscle and strength, maybe it's because i am starting to age.. all my life i struggle with some fat around..

MY QUESTION:

what estrogen control would suit me best during and after cycle??
and what pct?

hey bro... i love the fact your trying so hard to get the abs you want but in reality, your training and diet are flawed... your not training enough at 3 days a week... are you doing cardio? what exactly does your diet look like? trust me, if your diet and cardio were there, you would not carry the body fat in which you do... its not horrible at all but its not exactly good either... that indicates that YOU have many holes and flaws in what your doing... with a good diet and consistent training, disciplined in both areas, plenty of cardio, you would be able to be at least 11-12 if not better dependent on how disciplined your diet is... steroids are not going to get you abs in any way and your not in the right condition for them regardless... you have HUGE misconceptions and you need to get that out of your head before you hurt yourself... now, there are alternatives for you... sarms being the best... sarms will help you drop fat, build muscle and get into far better condition... if your not familiar with sarms, start by reading my articles here... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators

watch my videos on them as well... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEdmdTa8bTs39ujxQgFa-kw

let me know and i'll be happy to set you up a very strong cutting cycle...

 

[RickRock]

hey Dylan,

greetings from Europe!

i been watching you on youtube and i came up with a question.

i will be 30 years at september.

my background:
i can call myself active, swimming since childhood till 15 years,
from 15 till now i am dedicated to gym training and working out naturally..
of course, at the beginning i made mistakes, and majority of them was incorrect and poor nutrition, so there wasn't big results showing up. i was just sporty guy but my abs was not very clear to see..

round 7 years ago i got married and my life slowed down a bit, but i was still training 3-4 times a week, i started to read more about nutrition and training, i tried different techniques like keto diet, paleo diet... i was so hooked that i even considered working as a nutrition specialist.. i think i know enough about nutrition. but again, my abs was never there...

all the time i knew about gear, because my brother is using it for last 5-6 years, but i always was against it..

this year i am turning 30, and i have a goal to see my abs this summer no matter what, clean or dirty i have to get it. at least once..

i am pretty strong, my stats 5'10 height and weight around 204 lbs for last 5 years.
right now i train 3 times a week the whole body workout,, body fat not sure but i would say 15-20%. i do incline bench press with 220 lbs 5x5.. deadlift - 300 lbs, know supersets and dropsets,,, well, i can say i am intermediate/advanced lifter, it just i am never lean enough.

so now i decided on test prop and anavar cycle, 10 test p, last 6 weeks var.. it is because when i am cutting naturally i am loosing a lot of muscle and strength, maybe it's because i am starting to age.. all my life i struggle with some fat around..

MY QUESTION:

what estrogen control would suit me best during and after cycle??
and what pct?

With your stats and goals, I'd strongly recommend staying away from any steroids and going for a good sarms stack. Steroids aren't fat burners and you are not in the right condition to use them right now with your bodyfat elevated.

Read up on sarms at the links Dylan gave you to familiarize yourself. They work really well for burning fat while building mass and strength. For your goals here is the stack I would recommend you take

You can get everything from www.sarmsx.com

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day




(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[stengors]

hey bro... i love the fact your trying so hard to get the abs you want but in reality, your training and diet are flawed... your not training enough at 3 days a week... are you doing cardio? what exactly does your diet look like? trust me, if your diet and cardio were there, you would not carry the body fat in which you do... its not horrible at all but its not exactly good either... that indicates that YOU have many holes and flaws in what your doing... with a good diet and consistent training, disciplined in both areas, plenty of cardio, you would be able to be at least 11-12 if not better dependent on how disciplined your diet is... steroids are not going to get you abs in any way and your not in the right condition for them regardless... you have HUGE misconceptions and you need to get that out of your head before you hurt yourself... now, there are alternatives for you... sarms being the best... sarms will help you drop fat, build muscle and get into far better condition... if your not familiar with sarms, start by reading my articles here... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators

watch my videos on them as well... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEdmdTa8bTs39ujxQgFa-kw

let me know and i'll be happy to set you up a very strong cutting cycle...

hej Dylan,

as i said, i do 3 times a week weight lifting, the workout is intense, i have only 1 min rest between sets on timer.
CARDIO: i do HIIT 2 times a week (rounds/circles with barbell) plus i ride a bike a lot and fast! i believe thats enough for cardio??
DIET: i track my diet on MyFitnessPal, i consume around 170 g protein, 70 g of fat, and around 150 g of carbs ~ 2000 cals a day.
i eat pretty much healthy, no processed foods, smoothies, eggs, ground beef, turkey, fruits, potatoes and such.. try to avoid grains..
yes, i do sometimes refeeds/cheat meals (mcDonalds or some pizza), but that happen once in 2 weeks, not more..

i know that test is not gonna burn fat.. i think, i am that kind of person that gets fat only by looking at food, lol..
in this constant cut i am running out of my juice, and i have a feeling that there is a lot of stress hormones around then i cut.

the idea of this 10 week cycle is to up the calories just above the maintenance, get the strength back/or up, get some muscle mass(i gain muscle easily) and then in last 5 weeks keep cals at maintenance or in a slight deficit, hoping to get low body fat(visible abs level, not competition level).

so let me raise the question back, what estrogen control? how to use hcg? and what pct according to my age will suit best?

if you still think that i am not ready, so i will cut, hard long cut, but let me know the safety precautions for test p and anavar cycle..

this is me yesterday:




my regards, Thank you guys in advance.

 

[cmb5017]

hej Dylan,

as i said, i do 3 times a week weight lifting, the workout is intense, i have only 1 min rest between sets on timer.
CARDIO: i do HIIT 2 times a week (rounds/circles with barbell) plus i ride a bike a lot and fast! i believe thats enough for cardio??
DIET: i track my diet on MyFitnessPal, i consume around 170 g protein, 70 g of fat, and around 150 g of carbs ~ 2000 cals a day.
i eat pretty much healthy, no processed foods, smoothies, eggs, ground beef, turkey, fruits, potatoes and such.. try to avoid grains..
yes, i do sometimes refeeds/cheat meals (mcDonalds or some pizza), but that happen once in 2 weeks, not more..

i know that test is not gonna burn fat.. i think, i am that kind of person that gets fat only by looking at food, lol..
in this constant cut i am running out of my juice, and i have a feeling that there is a lot of stress hormones around then i cut.

the idea of this 10 week cycle is to up the calories just above the maintenance, get the strength back/or up, get some muscle mass(i gain muscle easily) and then in last 5 weeks keep cals at maintenance or in a slight deficit, hoping to get low body fat(visible abs level, not competition level).

so let me raise the question back, what estrogen control? how to use hcg? and what pct according to my age will suit best?

if you still think that i am not ready, so i will cut, hard long cut, but let me know the safety precautions for test p and anavar cycle..

this is me yesterday:

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my regards, Thank you guys in advance.

I don't think Ur ready for a cycle but I get the feeling your gona do it any....for estrogen 12.5 mg aromasin eod.
Var is definitely not recommended neither us prop. Go with cyp . But cutting will be way easier and a lot more beneficial with a sarms stack...test is gona give u the opposite effect believe it or not.

 

[JackSteel]

You seem like a reasonable bro, so let me explain. There's a big difference between 15% and 20% body fat. Neither is recommened when using AAS. Second, a first cycle should be test ONLY, 250-350 mg week plus aromasin 12.5 every other day (eod) is the recommended protocol.

Now, if your training and diet are on point, try SARM's stack from iSarms.com. You'll get the resuslt you are looking for with lessen risks.

I agree with this. Make diet work for you first. Steroids are not fat burners

 

[stengors]

I don't think Ur ready for a cycle but I get the feeling your gonna do it any....for estrogen 12.5 mg aromasin eod.
Var is definitely not recommended neither us prop. Go with cyp . But cutting will be way easier and a lot more beneficial with a sarms stack...test is gona give u the opposite effect believe it or not.

here is the thing, sarms is the thing, that i heard a week ago, and test and other gear is the thing that is around me for 10 years at least, and i see results on the closest people like my brother... i just always was in opposite side, but now i feel that the time come..

the reason why i ask these questions here, because people around me use gear in very primitive way, without deep understanding,
and i want to be sure what i am doing..

so could you say why var and prop is not recommended and cyp is the way to go? i am not afraid of needles..

thanks

 

[cmb5017]

here is the thing, sarms is the thing, that i heard a week ago, and test and other gear is the thing that is around me for 10 years at least, and i see results on the closest people like my brother... i just always was in opposite side, but now i feel that the time come..

the reason why i ask these questions here, because people around me use gear in very primitive way, without deep understanding,
and i want to be sure what i am doing..

so could you say why var and prop is not recommended and cyp is the way to go? i am not afraid of needles..

thanks

Well prop has to be injected eod. And it has pip which is gona hurt..cyp is smooth...var causes muscle cramps/bad pump and really useless for a man it's made for women..Ur gona need potassium,taurine,and lots of water to battle the sides..I wouldn't take the cycle u propose

 

[stengors]

Well prop has to be injected eod. And it has pip which is gona hurt..cyp is smooth...var causes muscle cramps/bad pump and really useless for a man it's made for women..Ur gona need potassium,taurine,and lots of water to battle the sides..I wouldn't take the cycle u propose

what can you recommend? test an vinny then?

by the way, i appreciate any feedback.

 

[cmb5017]

Like I said earlier your best to try the sarms stack first..but a first cycle should always be test only..winny is rough on the body and just more a less something used for looks right before a competition..Not something u really want to cut with

 

[rockmfhudd]

I would say at most test cyp and a sarms stack for 12 weeks to cut that fat you will be amazed at the steroid effect of sarms without the sides and aromasin eod 12.5. get your diet tight man drop the carbs down some

 

[stengors]

And can anyone give me a feedback about my activity and diet?
is there something wrong because i dont see results?

“.. as i said, i do 3 times a week weight lifting, the workout is intense, i have only 1 min rest between sets on timer.
CARDIO: i do HIIT 2 times a week (rounds/circles with barbell) plus i ride a bike a lot and fast! i believe thats enough for cardio??
DIET: i track my diet on MyFitnessPal, i consume around 170 g protein, 70 g of fat, and around 150 g of carbs ~ 2000 cals a day.
i eat pretty much healthy, no processed foods, smoothies, eggs, ground beef, turkey, fruits, potatoes and such.. try to avoid grains..
yes, i do sometimes refeeds/cheat meals (mcDonalds or some pizza), but that happen once in 2 weeks, not more.. “

tried also keto and intermittent fasting, didnt do miracles..

my suspicion, that i am low in test in general.

 

[ironlifter36]

Well prop has to be injected eod. And it has pip which is gona hurt..cyp is smooth...var causes muscle cramps/bad pump and really useless for a man it's made for women..Ur gona need potassium,taurine,and lots of water to battle the sides..I wouldn't take the cycle u propose

Excuse my ignorance, but what is PIP?

 

[cmb5017]

Post injection pain

 

[rockmfhudd]

pip post and painful injection point, meaning it hurts like a fuckin donkey kicked you where you injected. also it would be easier if you just posted up your daily intake and we can comment as far as meal 1, 2, 3 etc etc and maybe get some bloodwork done before you start anything to assess where your test levels are among other things

 

[stengors]

pip post and painful injection point, meaning it hurts like a fuckin donkey kicked you where you injected. also it would be easier if you just posted up your daily intake and we can comment as far as meal 1, 2, 3 etc etc and maybe get some bloodwork done before you start anything to assess where your test levels are among other things

ok, i eat 3-4 times a day, it suits me best on my routine..

i do Intermittent Fasting breakfast at 11am, last meal 6-7 pm.. lifting/cardio in the morning on empty stomach..

meal 1: smoothie: banana, whey protein, 2 eggs, berries, broccoli, small spoon of honey.

meal 2: usually some high protein salad with potatoes or quinoa for carbs, plus can of tuna.

meal 3: usually omelette with some fruit..

meal 4: depending on the day (high/low carb) something light to fill up the rest of the macros..

i did my test hormone blood work once, but i didnt have a doctors comment on that, because he was sick... (pretty stupid situation),
but the test says: 22,860 nmol/L

so yeah,, i am tired of this 5 year cutting, i need to do something..

 

[ironlifter36]

ok, i eat 3-4 times a day, it suits me best on my routine..

i do Intermittent Fasting breakfast at 11am, last meal 6-7 pm.. lifting/cardio in the morning on empty stomach..

meal 1: smoothie: banana, whey protein, 2 eggs, berries, broccoli, small spoon of honey.

meal 2: usually some high protein salad with potatoes or quinoa for carbs, plus can of tuna.

meal 3: usually omelette with some fruit..

meal 4: depending on the day (high/low carb) something light to fill up the rest of the macros..

i did my test hormone blood work once, but i didnt have a doctors comment on that, because he was sick... (pretty stupid situation),
but the test says: 22,860 nmol/L

so yeah,, i am tired of this 5 year cutting, i need to do something..

Hey man, did you say you've been in a calorie deficit (cut) for 5 years? Have you been eating at 2000 cal per day for 5 years? That could be the problem, may want to reverse diet back up to maintenance, hang there for awhile then go back into a 500cal/day deficit. I had to do this several times to go from 24% down to 10%. Prolonged periods in a calorie deficit will cause Test levels to drop and other issues. Just a thought.