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280mg/week. I was on 200/wk before with some mental fog and anxiety issues, but when I moved states my new doc put me on 100mg/week, and I started experiencing physical and mental fatigue,heart pumping issues, and slowly going into cardiac arrest. He refused to increase my dose without a note from the ER, so I came here and found a source. At 280mg/week I have no mental fog nor anxiety and I am highly stress tolerant. I use testosterone mostly for the mental effects it has, though the physical are good too.
But another effect I’ve noticed is appetite suppression, and it’s a whole lot easier to go into Keto.
But another effect I’ve noticed is appetite suppression, and it’s a whole lot easier to go into Keto.
ive never had that happen personally and generally dont see that at all from just test... a lot of times when people have changes in their lives, they immediately blame it on something they are taking and that might not even have anything to do with it... i would just speak to your doctor because it sounds like you have some other issues going on there and none of us are qualified to diagnose that
Hm, ok. I just dealt with medical stuff. Doc did a biopsy on me and sent bacteria in my blood giving me sepsis. Fortunately, it was treated right away. I do feel healthier since then than I’ve been in a while, so maybe all the fevers killed off whatever else was inside me. If I’m used to feeling hungry all the time and it was due to parasites, then having those die off would result in a lot less hunger.
Partly found out why. I was thirsty and started eating more protein today, which made me more awake and more hungry in general. I’m guessing I was protein deficient from illness, and my body was trying to point me eat lots of protein so was turning me off to pretty much everything else that wasn’t high in protein (I was ill enough that high protein foods were difficult to digest and was mostly subsisting off soups and broth).
Arimistane 50mg/day. My TRT doctors didn’t believe in using an AI, so that was the closest I found before finding this forum. They offered the option of reducing my dose as the only way to reduce estrogen.
My body fat is a bit high (24%), and I’m estrogen sensitive.
I think Arimidex would be safer though. Arimistane was more useful when I was first went on TRT (natural total testosterone levels were 100 ng/dL and dropping by 10 every week when I first received treatment). I had gained a lot of weight from chronically low T side effects and was at 45-48% body fat. On 9000 IU/wk HCG (fertility attempt, before going on T), I was taking 12 Arimidex pills per day to keep my estrogen down. With Arimistane, I would take 150mg/day for a couple weeks and drop to 75mg/day. I get really bad arthritis type effects and brain fog with high estrogen (above 30 gives me those effects). As my body fat drops I’ve been able to drop the dose.
I recently self dosed my TRT from the 100mg/wk up to 280mg/wk. At 100mg I had a lot of side effects and started going into the path that would lead to cardiac arrest in a couple more weeks. I have been on 200mg/wk for a couple years and felt great but my new doctors here wanted to keep me at 100mg/wk and wouldn’t budge even with the health issues I was getting on it. On 280mg/wk, it’s the highest I feel comfortable without increasing AI dose and I feel generally healthier, and still gives mental bonuses to concentration and learning over the 200mg/wk dose. I’ll be keeping close eyes on my bloods though to watch for potential negatives in other areas though, but so far I have less than when I was on 200mg/wk.
My body fat is a bit high (24%), and I’m estrogen sensitive.
I think Arimidex would be safer though. Arimistane was more useful when I was first went on TRT (natural total testosterone levels were 100 ng/dL and dropping by 10 every week when I first received treatment). I had gained a lot of weight from chronically low T side effects and was at 45-48% body fat. On 9000 IU/wk HCG (fertility attempt, before going on T), I was taking 12 Arimidex pills per day to keep my estrogen down. With Arimistane, I would take 150mg/day for a couple weeks and drop to 75mg/day. I get really bad arthritis type effects and brain fog with high estrogen (above 30 gives me those effects). As my body fat drops I’ve been able to drop the dose.
I recently self dosed my TRT from the 100mg/wk up to 280mg/wk. At 100mg I had a lot of side effects and started going into the path that would lead to cardiac arrest in a couple more weeks. I have been on 200mg/wk for a couple years and felt great but my new doctors here wanted to keep me at 100mg/wk and wouldn’t budge even with the health issues I was getting on it. On 280mg/wk, it’s the highest I feel comfortable without increasing AI dose and I feel generally healthier, and still gives mental bonuses to concentration and learning over the 200mg/wk dose. I’ll be keeping close eyes on my bloods though to watch for potential negatives in other areas though, but so far I have less than when I was on 200mg/wk.
Oh, my first doc was a fertility specialist. That’s where I got the Arimidex. He refused to prescribe TRT. On HCG my T levels were still dropping fast and I felt worse and worse every day. When I started getting suicidely depressed I found a clinic and got testosterone. Huge difference. They used a test c and p mixture. Expensive though and a forty minute drive away. I asked around and found a doctor who started me 200mg/wk. He’s the one that didn’t believe in using AI’s or HCG. Then I moved and the new docs (went through 4 of them) either wanted me off TRT completely or at 100mg/wk. their reasoning? I look like I gained muscle from TRT because my chest was broader than my waist. They preferred that my chest wasn’t wider than my waist because they didn’t want to appear to anyone else to be treating athletes. And they wanted to keep my T levels between 300 and 400 ng/dL. So I found an alternative solution.
How long do you plan to run 280mg per week? That is just a really high dose for TRT. It's actually not TRT, that's a cycle. Have you seen bloodwork on that dose? Also curious where your stronger levels are with that arimastane dose. That may be too much for you
I started that T dose beginning of this week, so after a few weeks I’ll get blood work. I’m aware it’s more of a cycle dose. I was told by some docs that 200mg was as well and every guy on TRT should be on 100mg.
2 months ago, when I was still on 200mg/week, with the Arimistane dose at the time my estrodial was 40 pg from a battery of blood tests I did at the time. It tested pretty much everything you would want tested. I’m not sure what it is now. I just know that I can tell pretty easily when it gets high. I’ve also experienced it when low, and know it feels way different than when it’s high. My joints get stiff and dry feeling when it’s too low, and very painful when it’s too high. That weird nipple feeling I also get if I ignore the pain when it’s high. So I modify the dose as needed to avoid those effects.
2 months ago, when I was still on 200mg/week, with the Arimistane dose at the time my estrodial was 40 pg from a battery of blood tests I did at the time. It tested pretty much everything you would want tested. I’m not sure what it is now. I just know that I can tell pretty easily when it gets high. I’ve also experienced it when low, and know it feels way different than when it’s high. My joints get stiff and dry feeling when it’s too low, and very painful when it’s too high. That weird nipple feeling I also get if I ignore the pain when it’s high. So I modify the dose as needed to avoid those effects.
And that right there should show you exactly why any doctor with half a brain wouldn't make such an ignorant comment that everyone should be on 100mg per week. 200mg puts you in a good place on your levels it looks like amd that's honestly where you should be
Kind of why I gave up on doctors and started self treating. They all wanted me to stay on the 75-100mg with those blood levels. They said, in various forms, that my blood results showed it was the perfect dose. They also praised themselves on their ethics by following the American Association of Urology, which tells docs to keep testosterone in the third quartile, or 450-600, range, though that was 2011 so the third quartile is probably lower now, and which basically says anyone aiming for more runs the risk of treating performance seeking athletes. There are clinics here that will happily give more, but they are expensive and only dose once a week. With my ultra rapid drug metabolism, 200mg is mostly gone by day 5 (test c has a 3.5 day half life).
Because there’s a lot of military here, who may be sourcing their testosterone elsewhere, that may be why it’s extra crazy here for civilians. Gyms for example cost more here than other places I’ve lived, while many others get gyms for free at work.
Admittedly, after a week on 280, I think the mental improvement is only slightly better than at 200. I’m definitely losing body fat faster though. At 280 I would guess my T levels are around 900-1000 ng/dL. I have about half as much acne on 280 as I did on 200, and a little less that I did at 100. I’ve had acne since I was 9 years old, and only the face acne disappeared at 25. The chest, shoulder, and back acne never stopped. I’ve been on TRT since I was 30. Why more T = less acne I really have no idea. It sounds completely counterintuitive.
I read an answer from Dylan that for most guys each gram raised T by 10. I don’t know why my ratio is so low, but that’s life’s lottery I guess.
Because there’s a lot of military here, who may be sourcing their testosterone elsewhere, that may be why it’s extra crazy here for civilians. Gyms for example cost more here than other places I’ve lived, while many others get gyms for free at work.
Admittedly, after a week on 280, I think the mental improvement is only slightly better than at 200. I’m definitely losing body fat faster though. At 280 I would guess my T levels are around 900-1000 ng/dL. I have about half as much acne on 280 as I did on 200, and a little less that I did at 100. I’ve had acne since I was 9 years old, and only the face acne disappeared at 25. The chest, shoulder, and back acne never stopped. I’ve been on TRT since I was 30. Why more T = less acne I really have no idea. It sounds completely counterintuitive.
I read an answer from Dylan that for most guys each gram raised T by 10. I don’t know why my ratio is so low, but that’s life’s lottery I guess.
Ok, watched Dylan’s video. My inflammation has been high for many years but has been treated recently, so that may be why my acne is less as well. Vitamins are in normal levels, but we’re not being absorbed properly due to a Candida infection till that was treated 6 months ago.
I also found out genetically that I experience higher levels of inflammation at high body fat levels than your average person, where “high body fat” starts at a lower level than your average person. My body fat has been at least 20% since I was 19, and above 25% since I was 23. I started experiencing noticeable Hypogonadism effects at 17 but didn’t know better at the time. I would go on without knowing until 30. I have Klinefelters and a lot who have that experience hypogonadism in their teens but it doesn’t become too apparent till their 20’s or later.
I also found out genetically that I experience higher levels of inflammation at high body fat levels than your average person, where “high body fat” starts at a lower level than your average person. My body fat has been at least 20% since I was 19, and above 25% since I was 23. I started experiencing noticeable Hypogonadism effects at 17 but didn’t know better at the time. I would go on without knowing until 30. I have Klinefelters and a lot who have that experience hypogonadism in their teens but it doesn’t become too apparent till their 20’s or later.
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