I've heard that Naps is underdosed and you never know what you're getting. I always felt like it worked and got pretty good results from what I could see. I placed an order with 9th and received my package. I can now see what the talk is all about. There is definitely a difference in strength and quality. Zero pip, no knots, and no swelling. Naps made my skin feel like it had a fever for about 3 days after pinning. Not to mention having to wait 3 days versus a month to receive shipment. Thanks 9th and BGS.